*nods* I can appreciate that. We've taken out some strange "bush" (read full grown tree without a trunk) and several "ornamental" honeysuckle in the past year or so. Once the sod was down we actually more than doubled our backyard space. Sadly, it's only about a third of our whole backyard, but most of it's covered in more honeysuckle, "wildflowers" (I took a sample to the nursery to identify my weed and they told me it was a "wildflower", I said "I have 3 million of them in my backyard, they're a weed") and the hill makes it nearly impossible to get up and down safely with the mower. I think we'll just throw up a fence and live with what we've got. You are an inspiration.